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witt" starts now. >>> almost nowhere. that's the words from the gop on fiscal cliff talks. but exactly where is that? and how will congress and the white house get somewhere? >>> the tug-of-war in the middle east. some new wrinkles that beg the question, is any resolution in sight for israel and the palestinians? >>> unsolved mystery. that huge powerball jackpot raised some unanswered questions beyond who won. >>> having their cupcake and eating it, too. big new twist in the hostess going out of business story. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." let's get to what's happening right now out there. there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coa
nowherep. just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clin
on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, they'll also be watching for friday's release of the november jobs report and what impacts superstorm sandy and those fiscal fears may have had on hiring. meanwhile, the national retail federation is asking congress to step in and stop striking clerical workers who shut down 10 of 14 terminals at two california ports. the group estimates the now week-long strike is costing $1 billion a day. >>> edward glen hayden, managing director and head of global interest rates at morgan stanley, pictured here during his days at goldman sachs is being investigated by commodities and futures regulators. according to "the new york times," the question is whether hayden's trading manipulated the price of treasury futures while he was back at goldman in 2008. >>> news corp. announced the ceo of its uk newspaper operations who took the reins in july of last year is stepping down. >>> swiss banking giant ubs is reportedly close to reaching a $450 million settlement with u.s. and british authorities over an interest rate-rigging scandal that rocked
jobless claims which have some sandy issues involved or the fiscal cliff talks? >> definitely the fiscal cliff. what you were talking about yesterday, boehner's comments really turned things around for the markets, all this sense of optimism all of a sudden. we saw the markets go from down triple digits for the dow up to triple digits. we haven't seen a swing like that since over a year ago. it's been october of 2011 was the last time it happened. it's definitely the fiscal cliff driving things. we heard commentary from lloyd blankfein, between that and the lead story -- one of the top stories on the front page of the "wall street journal" suggesting the president is flexible on the tax hikes, that sounds like a deal might get done. you see a gain of 50 or 60 points. gdp up 2.7% from 2%. there was concerning things when you dig into the numbers, it's all fiscal cliff all the time here, chuck. >> oh, hopefully, as you guys say, it will all -- people will rise above, right, becky? >> that's right. >> i know. i see the button. up next, we're taking a deep dive into the u.s. relationship wit
correspondent mike viqueira. what can you make of this? fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you know, i really believe that there two things that are clear from the white house to republicans. we are still in preliminary stages here, which is the good news, considering they are far apart. number two, the white house clearly feels it has the upper hand. it came with the $1.6 billion in new revenues and that's twice what the president was talking about before the election. republicans, obviously, rejecting it out of hand. we all heard by now republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell laughed at it. there you see some of the provisions there. $600 billion in savings. some of it from medicare, another 50 billion in spending and new spending on infrastructure and stimulus spending. that's something that republicans aren't going to want to go to. the two sides are far apart. here we are on december 1st, the clock is tic
in the deadlocked talks to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, the devastating combinations of tax increase and spending cuts that kick in january 1st. both sides seem to dig in this morning on the sunday talk shows. >> the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans that the rates would have to go up on the wealthiest americans, and i don't really see them doing it. >> right now, i would say we're nowhere, period, we're nowhere. >> that somber assessment today from house speaker john boehner, as geithner, the point man, went on all five sunday talk shows, cnbc, washington correspondent aman javers joining me live now. did geithner offer anything new today? >> he really didn't. he thinks the republicans are bluffing here and they are not prepared to go all the way to the mat here on behalf of tax cuts for the rich. they think at the white house they've got their republicans backed into a political corner here, and they are really pressing their advantage hard. you saw this sort of breathtaking offer by the president of the united states last week when he offered
miss them. now time for the last word. have a great weekend. >>> the fiscal cliff talks just turned into the godfather. part 2. >> america only thrives when we have a strong and growing middle class. >> the president hits the road today. >> back on the road today. >> to sell his proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we've got important decisions to make. >> obama played a kind of hard ball. >> let's play hall. >> all of us have to get out of our comfort zones to make that happen. >> we are ready to work for the president. >> buffed the president's proposal. >> the wrong approach. >> tim geithner brought them a deal. >> it didn't go bellwell. >> they thought was lewdrous. >> gave republicans nothing. >> my offer is this. >> my offer is this. >> nothing. >> nothing. >> republicans were very much offended. >> mitch mcconnell lasted at the offer. >> burst into laughter. >> laughing at the president's package -- >> that catch them by surprise at all? >> they have to come up with their pennsylvania package. >> we are ready to work with him. >> i promise ton laugh at it. >> we can solve t
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we're talking about a possible fiscal cliff. we're not off the cliff. >> right. >> if it's january 2nd or 3rd and the stock market is going down by a couple thousand worlds around the world. the japanese markets, european countries, countries in europe which are precarious are in bigger trouble. the whole thing is going wacky, one guy is going to be standing in the middle of the storm, not grover norquist or some republican but the president of the united states who has to weather the storm and point the finger across the aisle to someone nobody else in the world knows. speaker boehner, will you solve this problem. i think times change. >> the economically the biggest risk is the sequestration. it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they hav
as leverage. so if they lost this first round to fiscal cliff talks they can say we want this and this. so what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting squishy and what's happened over the succession of weeks since then, as he's meeting with the caucus, there's a hardening. in terms of -- >> or a disbelief -- a disbelief -- >> comes out and says stuff like that, you read some of the local papers, these people rshs it. >> are telling their local paper we're in a bad negotiation position here. >> the problem is, had he's probably a guy that's going to -- boehner will still be dealing with after januar
, and we'll talk about the fiscal cliff in a minute, about the midst of the fiscal cliff and who's doing what, this is a huge news story, dropped on capitol hill that seemed to take everybody by surprise. what's the reaction up there. >> reporter: the pieces that are less sprying look at the fact that republicans failed to reclaim majority, that always has an influence on how much power senators think they have if they're among the minority. jim demint said he would not seek another term. at some point there was a plan for him to forecast his future. the timing of doing it right now certainly caught people by surprise. but it also is a point where it tells you that he feels comfortable that the voice of objection on some things has been the seed has been filled here. he's got a mike lee of utah, rand paul of kentucky, who can fill some of the void that he would be leaving. it really is also, perhaps, good news for someone like mitch mcconnell, he can with his own reelections coming up not have the counterweight of jim demint's considerable presence within the chamber. so there are some i
day facing the fiscal cliff. negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators are meeting with boehner and top democrats. they heard the plan wednesday at the white house. at least one thinks there could be a deal here. >> if i were involved in the negotiations like this and everybody was purporting to be where they are, i would say that an agreement is reachable. >> i'm hopeful. it wouldn't put me anywhere near optimistic. >> reporter: one conservative is suggesting that while negotiations continue, congress should stop tax rates going up on the middle class now. >> we're not going to raise taxes on those people. i think we should make that clear to ever
. however, very, very fragile. particularly with this fiscal cliff. >> well, we haven't talked about one of the big pieces of the fiscal cliff, which actually has a way bigger impact on the economy than tax breaks for the folks at the top, and that's the payroll tax extension for 160 million americans. the nonpartisan congressional budget office says that gives you the most bang for your buck economically speaking. i believe we have to extend that for a year or come up with some alternative way of doing that. let me say a quick word about medicare reform. there's a difference in outlook. we believe we have to find savings in medicare. the president did, $760 billion, and we can build on that by trying to modernize the system, reduce costs overall in the system, not simply transfer rising health care costs onto the backs of seniors on medicare. $22,000 median income. that's what the voucher plan did. we believe we can find savings by changing the way we reimburse doctors and hospitals. not by across the board cuts, but by focusing on the value of care, the quality of care, not the volume
draconian. what you're talking about is where we solve this fiscal cliff by creating another fiscal cliff down the road is totally immature. it lacks political courage. we know what needs to be done, and let's get it done over the next three weeks. the options are not going to change. >> would you call on your party not to mount that sort of opposition to the president if he specifies how he's going to restructure medicare? >> i think that both -- look, i have laid out in great detail very painful cuts to medicare. i just did it in a 242-page bill that i have shared with the white house, shared with boehner, shared with mcconnell, in order to move us beyond this silly debate that's taking place. the fact is, claire knows this and i know this. there are serious reforms that have to take place in medicare for our country to become solvent. >> well, we have to be careful. and you're right about this, david. what is really irresponsible, that $716 billion, that was low-hanging fruit. that was fluff in the medicare system, savings that we had to recover. and by the way, it's the same savings t
reading other stuff. this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united states, but guest of. and that's the best -- >> i now have a solid preduction. he will not once say the word yo. >> that was my own -- >> your artistic representation. >> richard, what i think, the only thing i'd find great about it is watching obama, the actor. as we just saw, oh, i thought he did a terrific job at the olympics, i loved watching that stream of i'm not sure what you call it, but it's acting. it's not coming from the heart. >> he does it very sincerely and look, we may never know what happens inside those quiet rooms that they're going to be having their meeting in, but h
with each leader this morning to talk about the fiscal cliff or slope or curve. but whatever you call it, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in time, i'm more disappointed than
because for the next three weeks they will say we can afford to go off the fiscal cliff. >> when we talk about that let's show what grover norquist had to say. he's the anti-tax pledge crusader. this is what he had to say yesterday. >> tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> that's like say anaconda two will dwarf anaconda one. the sequel will be more intense. a poll find out last week that they found a majority of americans will blame the republicans in congress not the president for failure to make the deal. as we hear what grover says you see at any time other way. you say it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there
@alexwit. >>> apparent progress in the so-called fiscal cliff talks. it appears both sides may be digging in their heels. nbc's mike viqueira joins me from the white house with the very latest. if there's anything new to report. seems like everyone is in their own separate corners, mike. >> reporter: it's no longer november. this is december 1st. it's a new month, the last month before we go over the fiscal cliff. now both sides after a lot of bipartisan talk of compromise in that post-election period, alex, it turns out what we have now a typical washington standoff. >> the president of the united states. >> reporter: visiting a toy factory outside philadelphia, the president urged congress to act and avoid the fiscal cliff. if not, he says, taxes go up for everyone, including the middle class. >> it's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> reporter: with the election over the president has begun a new kind of campaign, for votes in congress. a series of white house meetings with business leaders, a grassroots effort on twitter, and friday's t
, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have republ
-tablet free trial. >>> let me finish tonight with this. this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid, is no bungy jump. what doesn't go down doesn't by necessity go back up. this is why i'm warmed that the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went under financial chaos under work. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. they don't blame
-888-xarelto or visit goxarelto.com. >>> let me finish tonight with this. this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid is no bungee jump. what goes down doesn't by necessity come back up. this is why i've warned to know the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went through financial chaos under w. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. fortunately for him the voters remember how bad they were. that's one reason they don't blame obama for the weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. it's about being smart and not putting the country a
that he thinks we should go over the fiscal cliff. everyone i talked to in washington wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. and most importantly, they don't want to get the blame for it. that's why republicans will probably be motivate d to negotiate with the white house. it might be christmas eve, but in the end, that's what's going to bring them to the table. >> he said after a week or two, there would be the negotiations. he said instead of a cliff, it was like a curb. david, if americans, though, are going to blame the gop more so than the president, how much leverage does that give the president as negotiations are underway? >> i think it gives him substantial leverage right now. that's why you see him not revealing all his cards saying you have to come to us. speaker ba speaker boehner has to start with this. e he would look his speakership. and said sure, mr. president, we lost the election. this has to be his starting position. it's only december 2nd. we have a month, i think, lindsey graham saying we're going to go over the cliff. i don't buy that either. we have a motto get
. how is that? >> as you well know, the fiscal cliff we're talking about has all kinds of components to it. it's the estate tax death tax, capital gains, dividend, alternative minimum tax, all the things that will harm a vast majority of americans from a tax standpoint in a significant and fundamental way. we believe those rates ought no increase. the president is willing to play politics and take us to the brink of raising those tax rates on virtually every single american. that's not what we believe is the kind of activity will get our economy and jobs rolling again. >> the white house will argue they're not the ones holds out to protect the top 2%, that it's the republicans doing that. >> great point, chris, the problem is what the president is holding out for is a nonsolution. the tax increases that the president wants on the top 2% will run this government not for eight years or eight weeks or eight weeks but run this government for eight days, which means it's not a solution. the president is not interested in real policy solutions by evidenced by what he has proposed, he's int
obama and somehow would there will be a role maybe in these talks about the fiscal cliff. we don't know a lot about what they talked about. the meeting was about an hour long. they had white turkey chili and southwestern chicken salad. but molly, this is the first time they've seen each other since the election. what do you say beyond congratulations, mr. president? >> goodness knows. it's pretty telling that the most newsworthy item out of that meeting was the lunch menu. the readout we got from the white house was very sort of boilerplate. we do know what didn't happen, unless there's something they're not telling us. romney was not offered a job or a post in the administration, as some had speculated might happen as sort of a conciliatory gesture. who knows if he would have taken that or wanted something like that. it was sort of very tepid, the language that we got, that they would work together in the future if opportunities arose on issues they were both interested in, and they discussed american leadership in the world, which is about the closest you can come to saying absolutely
real talk for a second. there is no fiscal cliff. there's no special deadline. these are long-term debates. you were asking mr. russert about the past negotiations because these are debates we've had in the past that we will continue to have in the future. some people would rather solve them in the bottom of the ninth. that would be better. but if we go into the tenth or 11th inning it's not a cliff because eventually we will work this out. why? congress has a time machine. if they want to make cuts retroactive, if they want to help you in the last fiscal year, if they want to back date things, they can do that, we can't, you can't do that with your own taxes, but the government can. so i agree we are seeing the republicans put the gun to the collective head of the congress and the economy hoping to get the same hostage antics they got before, but let's be clear, if this deal gets done in january or february, as long as it gets done the right way, it will be fine. it's not a cliff. >> do you agree with that, julian? because my understanding is that this would in effect usher i
'll head to the hill to talk to members from both sides about the fiscal cliff clash. plus, sharp divisions at the united nations. the world defies the u.s. in a historic vote for palestinians. and huge crowds are gathering in tahrir square after egypt approved a controversial new draft constitution. it's a move that's likely to inflame the political crisis there. we're live in cairo with what it all means for the region. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. he is in pennsylvania at the toy factory talking fiscal cliff. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that
on a friday. >> can't think after better way to start my weekend than talking fiscal cliff to you. >> means a lot to me. >> i know. >> the daily beast said obama just got re-elected. it is a classic time for magnonimity. which i think i just mispronounced. do you think obama has a hard line at the wrong time? >>. if sullivan means that obama should negotiate with himself, which you point out, hasn't worked for him before, and b, isn't the way it move forward once you won an election with the what you are arguing over, i disagree. the right way to negotiate is not to come out and say, here is what we want republicans. here is what we want. here is your opening bid as you correctly name this, let's hear yours. >> one thing ways surprised to see in the white house opening bid, the fiscal cliff, which we like to call the austerity crisis because it is just too much austerity, it centers around the reduction and there is too much deficit reduction. the white house add lot of stimulus which folks like your group and you in particular have been calling for for some time. were you surprised to see
of the big issues is anybody really talking about what to do with the fiscal cliff other than news conferences an the appearances on the floor and the message is there aren't really serious negotiations going back and forth just yet. the critical moments probably later in december when the pressure of the calendar is greater, tamron. >> all right. kelly o'donnell, thank you. joining us now is congressman yarmuth. about a week ago you were on with my colleague and said you were growing more pessimistic about reaching a deal before the back and forth we have seen. how do you feel right now? >> well, i'm still pretty pessimistic about a deal and optimistic to at least avoid the tax part of the cliff. i get the sense that a growing number of republicans are willing to let the senate bill come to the floor here in the house. which would get almost every democratic vote and a fair number of republican votes. as long as speaker boehner doesn't require there be a majority of his majority to pass that bill, i think we can get that done. i have a sense that's kind of a way we're moving. as t
. walking-around money. walking-around money. >>> talking about big cash, let's get to the fiscal cliff. some developing news this morning. "politico" hassen e an exclusiv report that president obama and representative boehner had a "curt" telephone conversation. speak speaker boehner says he wants to move his position on tax rates but the president won't budge. he told him, if he has an alternative plan, he ought to put that forward rather than focusing on entitlements. the white house will send tim geithner to capitol hill for a meeting. yesterday the president met with ceos including at&t, goldman sachs, coca-cola and caterpillar, many of whom said after the meeting they emerged hopeful a deal could be struck to avoid the fiscal cliff. in another meeting with middle-class americans, president obama said he believes the framework for a deal could be in place before christmas. >> and i'll go anywhere, and i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. now's the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class
politics. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. you've been part of many of a political standoff. senate majority leader from '89 to 1995. how wide is the chasm between what we are seeing and hearing on cable news outfits and in newspapers, how wide is the gap between that and what is actually transpiring behind closed doors? >> it's pretty wide. look both sides are trying to accomplish two things at the same time. and they mutually contradictory. one is they want to convey to the broad american public that they're reasonable, they're willing to compromise, they're not obstructionist. at the same time, they want to convey to their partisans we're not going to cave in. and so you get one message in the morning, another in the afternoon and kind of a mixture of them in the evening. >> how do you think it plays out? >> i think the president is in a very strong position. the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed
into this morning as we talk about the fiscal cliff. erskine bowles says he thinks democrats and republicans are serious about getting a deal done, but when you hear congressman cole walking back statements, do you think that's true? >> cole doesn't want to be a political target of the right. so he can easily say i really didn't mean that prks and to ge of the news. and probably trying to set the table for other guys. which is a signal that the right wing is still very stuck in con kreetd as you said earlier. they don't want to move. they are denying election results. but there is real ominous things i think that are starting to surface here. any talk of a mortgage deduction change would be horrendous in my opinion and it would fly in the face of everything barack obama and joe biden ran on in protecting middle class. they have to be crystal clear that that is off the table. the housing crisis started the last recession. if they go after mortgage deductions, if they put that on the table even for high end homes, that will change sales, it will reduce prices on homes, it will slow constructio
discussion of the fiscal cliff, given that is what lawmakers are talking about now. mitt romney just arrived here. we're not expecting anything huge to come out of this meeting. no appointment. for example, to the cabinet. but the president certainly, i think, hoping to engage in a serious conversation. this, as you point out, will be just the seventh time that these two have sat down after what was really a bruising fight during the election. this is really about sort of striking a tone of bipartisanship, helping these two former rivals to bury the hatchet but helping, i think the country to move forward, especially as we get closer to that fiscal cliff deadline. >> and ruth is here at the table. one of the issues could be the sort of backdrop the post-election comment by all sides not only mitt romney but also by stewart stevenson, op-ed his adviser. there was a time not long ago when the problems of the democratic party revolved arounding too liberal and dependent on minorities. obama turned those problems in advantages and rode that strategy to victory but he was a charismatic african-am
of about $1.2 trillion. and that needs to be remembered when we're talking about the fiscal cliff. now, women really are, in fact, bearing the primary burden of all of these cuts. and so what we're saying is, let's don't engage in these cuts. let's have an aggressive jobs policy, put people to work, bring more money into the federal treasury, and lower the deficit that way. and, obviously, tax the millionaires and billionaires fairly for the first time in 30 years. >> right. >> so, terry, aggressive jobs program. great. that's the third way. president obama submitted to congress the american jobs act last september. so are you suggesting -- are you suggesting that that bill be passed? are you suggesting that it be reworked, junked and recreated? the second part of that question is, what are you going to do? what is now going to do to ensure that it gets passed? >> i would really much rather representative john connier's jobs bill be passed. it's much more aggressive. january ja cow ski also has a wonderful jobs bill. president obama's is much more modst. but it does lead us beginning i
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with us. that "the ed show." and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case the tweet gets a little initial signature. a "bo" in lower case. barack obama, as in i the president wrote this tweet. if it was a dog, it would be the paw print. the president was writing his own tweet this is afternoon. the string of twitter messages about the budget negotiations in washington. the white house announcing in advance today that the president himself would be answering people's questions about the negotiations in washington. he would be answering them directly on twitter starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern. it is kind of awesome that regular people can ask direct questions fro
the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street types who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks. we're not talking months. >> the cake is baked and they think the intelligence of politicians is up to this challenge. >> but wall street doesn't really have a lot of faith in this process to be able to get done. they have priced in just a little bit that this could happen for a while. maybe not for months, but you wouldn't see the market necessarily crash like the next day. you'd have time. >> thank you, joy reid. thank you. >>> tonight, how their own polls fooled the romney campaign into thinking they had this baby won. what went wrong for those guys. did republicans lose the election because voters rejected mitt romney or because they rejected what romney was sa
with the president at the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff and other issues affecting their states before coming to the mikes to address their concerns. >> i think we all recognize that there's an impact on our states, certainly, by what happens here. >> we want to be a part of the solution to the problems facing our nation. >> we also are saying that states are willing to do our part. we understand it's going to be a shared sacrifice as you have to look at spending cuts. states are willing to do more with less. >> while the national dialog is focused on the fiscal cliff which has the potential to significantly affect state budgets many governors are also tackling the implementation of obama care. starting in 2014 medicaid will be expanded to all americans within 138% of the poverty line, which is individuals making $15,000 a year or less, give health care to as many as 21 million additional americans. eight governors including one of those at the white house today, oklahoma republican governor mary fallin are rejecting the offer, concerned their states may have to foot the bill down the
that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> tough talk. it's also completely divorced from reality. right b
by the looming fiscal cliff. we've heard a lot of talk, a little progress, and several signs that this debate may go up to the last minute. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. >> times have changed significantly and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> if the president's willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people, and make them permanent, i think that is a point we should agree on. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> the president has made his proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> those are the highlights. let's bring in mark murray. mark, good friday to you. negotiations started in earnest yesterday
a little bit. obama's plan for the fiscal cliff includes 400 billion or so in unspecified cuts, while the republicans have offered 800 billion in unspecified higher tax revenues. has either side gotten specific enough for you guys? >> they haven't gotten specific enough yet, but they both staked out positions that are imminently compromisable. there's good common ground there. what's preventing that? the republicans saying we'll never raise taxes. the problem is taxes are scheduled to go up. they can't say no to that. they will go up. the only real question for the obstructionists in the republican party is, seriously, you're going to block atax cut? that's what it is. >> i want to play some sound from our friend david gergen on cnn yesterday and get you to comment. >> since this election i think the democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate the republicans, and that's not going to get to a bargain. i think it has to be win-win. you hear among some democrats right now and it's disturbing that maybe just ought to take it over the cliff. we'll score
on, that's the fiscal cliff. i want to have you on because i trust in you. thank you, kent conrad. >>> coming up, hot new evidence the republicans have learned nada, nothing, from the election they just lost. yesterday you saw the all-white republican chairmanships in the house of representatives. today's story, the marquee name for the republican party next year ken, cuccinelli, a real winger. wait until you catch his decisions on all kinds of issues affecting women, immigrants, everybody. >>> welcome back to "hardball." it appears republicans have learned few, if any, lessons from the election they just had. and as we said last night, a party that lost overwhelmingly among women, latinos, and african-americans will have house chairmen that all look like those guys. now, the chief strategist of romney's campaign, stu stevens, is describing why he lost. he wrote in "the washington post" today, quote, there was a time not so long ago when the problems of the democratic party revolved around being too liberal and too dependent on minorities. obama turned those problems into advantag
's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotiations are going nowhere. >> nothing going on privately that's not going on publicly. >> reporter: republicans say the president needs to meet them halfway. >> he's got to be serious. he's offered more spending, more stimulus than offering any new cuts. >> reporter: and they insist there's good
.com/pricerewind. >>> today in his first interview since winning re-election, president obama talked about the fiscal cliff standoff. he put his foot down on what is negotiable and what is not. >> we have to say the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to get a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. it's just a matter of math. i'm happy to entertain other ideas the republicans may present, but we are not going to cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of the deficit problem we have. >> so, are we on the verge of something big, something that could really change our politics? joining me now, senator barbara boxer, democrat from california and whip of the senate. thank you for being on the show. >> i love being on your show. thank you. >> if the gop agrees to tax increases, how important might that be in terms of showing they actually are capable of working with the president? >> you know, the way they raised the question, if they agree to tax increases, they claim they're willing to do these loop-hole closers but the differenc
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